We're runners. Let's face it; our race times matter.
Usually they are intensely personal and don't matter at all to anyone else but else, but they matter to us.
Personally, I don't lie about my times. One of my life-mottos is WYSIWYG: what you see is what you get. Sometimes I'm not proud of my times, other times I'm ecstatic. Most of you when you see my times probably think that I should go back to playing shuffleboard or whatever else it is that slow people like me do to keep us occupied. I get out of running what I put into it. If I was more dedicated and pushed harder I would see more results. But I'm happy, I'm (mostly) healthy, and I absolutely love running.
Do you compare yourself to others when you run? I don't mean in the pseudo-competitive, "I'm going to pick that person off next" way, but in a serious way? Or are you competing with yourself and your expectations?
To stop beating around the bush: what would drive someone to lie about their race times?
If you're going to do something public like tweeting about your running and racing or blogging about it, you owe your readers some honesty. Misrepresenting yourself on your blog is disingenuous and dishonest. As is moderating your comments to such an extent that the only comments published are unanimously positive. This creates the (intentionally) false impression that you are a faster runner than you are. And get this (watch out; this is bold) - no one but you actually cares.
One particular blogger I follow has this problem. And it's bad. She blogs anonymously, so the sky is the limit in terms of her hyperbole. Finishing Chicago in 6:48 hasn't kept her from publicly stating that she finished in "around 5:30" or even "about four and a half hours." A half marathon that she finished last year in 2:34? This became "I was on track to run 1:45 until mile 11." Honey - unless those last two miles took you more than half an hour each, no you weren't.
I don't want to attract her attention by linking to her, so I won't call her out publicly. But I just don't get it. Most of the time she openly buys her bibs on craigslist, which I kind of think is less poor planning and more a ploy to avoid being listed in the race results. A recent race that she did - which she reported as a PR (piecing together her blogs and tweets, you would expect that to be around 2 hours) - was this:
I edited out her name. Please note that the results do include a 17-minute rest room break that she says shouldn't count toward her finishing time. So... I guess it was actually a 2:49? Another race a week later she said was a 2:14, and not a PR. But...
What's wrong with just being you? What's wrong with celebrating the achievement of running a marathon or a half marathon?* Why must you be ashamed and - worse - lie about it?
Let me pass on to you a piece of advice my dad has given me before every marathon I've ever run: "Tracy," he says, "You're not going to win." And you know what? Every race, he's been right. So why lie?
I'm not judging you based on your time. However, I am judging you based on how you report your race. Own your performance. It's yours.**
And now, because they crawled into my brain almost a week ago and won't leave, I present to you the Band Perry:
*And if you know me, you know I'm conflicted on this myself. While I am most absolutely certainly NOT in the "there are real runners and then there are casual runners camp," and while I myself am slow, I do get a little frustrated sometimes by the whole OMG YOU DID IT YOU ARE A HALFATHONER DOESN'T MATTER IF IT TOOK YOU FOUR HOURS!!! attitude.
**I've actually had this post sitting in my drafts for over six months, debating whether or not to post it. I can be a bitchy person sometimes, but it's not really in my nature to publicly direct it at a single target. I feel a little uncomfortable about it, but I actually truly do want to understand the motivation that causes someone to exaggerate their own performances. AND YES I KNOW THE ANSWER IS JUST FOR ME TO STOP READING BLOGS THAT MAKE ME ANNOYED.
Usually they are intensely personal and don't matter at all to anyone else but else, but they matter to us.
Personally, I don't lie about my times. One of my life-mottos is WYSIWYG: what you see is what you get. Sometimes I'm not proud of my times, other times I'm ecstatic. Most of you when you see my times probably think that I should go back to playing shuffleboard or whatever else it is that slow people like me do to keep us occupied. I get out of running what I put into it. If I was more dedicated and pushed harder I would see more results. But I'm happy, I'm (mostly) healthy, and I absolutely love running.
Do you compare yourself to others when you run? I don't mean in the pseudo-competitive, "I'm going to pick that person off next" way, but in a serious way? Or are you competing with yourself and your expectations?
To stop beating around the bush: what would drive someone to lie about their race times?
If you're going to do something public like tweeting about your running and racing or blogging about it, you owe your readers some honesty. Misrepresenting yourself on your blog is disingenuous and dishonest. As is moderating your comments to such an extent that the only comments published are unanimously positive. This creates the (intentionally) false impression that you are a faster runner than you are. And get this (watch out; this is bold) - no one but you actually cares.
One particular blogger I follow has this problem. And it's bad. She blogs anonymously, so the sky is the limit in terms of her hyperbole. Finishing Chicago in 6:48 hasn't kept her from publicly stating that she finished in "around 5:30" or even "about four and a half hours." A half marathon that she finished last year in 2:34? This became "I was on track to run 1:45 until mile 11." Honey - unless those last two miles took you more than half an hour each, no you weren't.
I don't want to attract her attention by linking to her, so I won't call her out publicly. But I just don't get it. Most of the time she openly buys her bibs on craigslist, which I kind of think is less poor planning and more a ploy to avoid being listed in the race results. A recent race that she did - which she reported as a PR (piecing together her blogs and tweets, you would expect that to be around 2 hours) - was this:
I edited out her name. Please note that the results do include a 17-minute rest room break that she says shouldn't count toward her finishing time. So... I guess it was actually a 2:49? Another race a week later she said was a 2:14, and not a PR. But...
What's wrong with just being you? What's wrong with celebrating the achievement of running a marathon or a half marathon?* Why must you be ashamed and - worse - lie about it?
Let me pass on to you a piece of advice my dad has given me before every marathon I've ever run: "Tracy," he says, "You're not going to win." And you know what? Every race, he's been right. So why lie?
I'm not judging you based on your time. However, I am judging you based on how you report your race. Own your performance. It's yours.**
And now, because they crawled into my brain almost a week ago and won't leave, I present to you the Band Perry:
*And if you know me, you know I'm conflicted on this myself. While I am most absolutely certainly NOT in the "there are real runners and then there are casual runners camp," and while I myself am slow, I do get a little frustrated sometimes by the whole OMG YOU DID IT YOU ARE A HALFATHONER DOESN'T MATTER IF IT TOOK YOU FOUR HOURS!!! attitude.
**I've actually had this post sitting in my drafts for over six months, debating whether or not to post it. I can be a bitchy person sometimes, but it's not really in my nature to publicly direct it at a single target. I feel a little uncomfortable about it, but I actually truly do want to understand the motivation that causes someone to exaggerate their own performances. AND YES I KNOW THE ANSWER IS JUST FOR ME TO STOP READING BLOGS THAT MAKE ME ANNOYED.
I'm really fucking glad you posted this because it needed to be said.
ReplyDeleteI'll leave it at that.
I don't know what makes others lie. I know I lie about my own marathon time. I say it took me six hours, when it actually only took me 5:47:28.
ReplyDeleteI lie for a few reasons. It's easier to say six, and 5:45 is a worse lie. Also, thinking it was a worse time than it actually was has helped me work a lot harder this year. I made all the rookie mistakes like I was ticking items off a list and was disappointed in my time. Remember that "my, you're ambitious!" moment when I grabbed the 4:45 bracelet?
Maybe lying helps her in some way. Or maybe she's just really bad with numbers. Not that either of those makes it ok.
I don't think it's a case of being bad with numbers, although I admire your kind spirit :)
ReplyDeleteAnd I still feel bad about my reaction when you grabbed that bracelet!! It was more jealousy than anything, since I knew I didn't have that race in me.
If I ever post a sub 3-hour marathon, and someone asks me what my marathon time is, I fully intend on saying "2 something."
ReplyDeleteSo yeah, we're all full of ourselves a little.
Dude, you talked about this chick almost a year ago while we're running Chicago! (I assume is the same chick?)
ReplyDeleteAlright, email me her blog address, I'm curious!
(And yes, I do read some blogs that annoy me sometimes too, but I cannot stop it!!!)
And I like Majo, I do lie about my marathon time sometimes to make it easier. I don't say "5:07" or "5:04" I say about 5 hours. I'd probably say the same thing if it had been 4:55. (I should note those discussions are NEVER with runner friends, only with non-runners who wouldn't be able to tell the difference in a couple of minutes here and there.)
But that's the thing, isn't it? Be as full of yourself as you want. Be proud, but don't lie about it! Because the lying part is what suggests that you're NOT proud at all. Mike, when you run that sub-3, saying 2-something isn't a lie. And Carla, you DID run your races in about 5 hours. Now, when Mike starts telling people that he "was basically almost as fast as Meb," that's not true.
ReplyDeleteOH! You are definitely super extra bitchy today, not because of the content of this here post, but because of that SONG. "I never liked the taste of crow but baby, I ate it?" *cringe* I'll never shake it.
ReplyDeleteThis person sounds they have some mental issues to be changing the facts this much. I am a little faster now but I had no problems saying I did some NYRR and local races and finished in the bottom 10-20% of runners when I first started...I think that's part of the appeal of running, you can do your own thing and its not as competitive as other sports.
ReplyDeleteI guess I understand in the abstract why people want to lie about their times, because everyone wants to look better. Especially when blogging, if it's the person I think you are alluding to, there's that desire to create a good narrative -- once I was X and now I am Y! Yay! But if people feel that bad about it then they just shouldn't talk about their times at all. Just say "it was a PR" or "it wasn't" and then people who want to can Internetstalk your real times... or so I hear.
ReplyDeleteAs a slower runner (OK, my half PR is 2:25 and I was ecstatic about that) I feel like if I can be honest about my times, it tells other people that they can also be honest about their times. The more we all pretend like there's some huge shame in it then the more people will want to lie. Also, if I'm going to look at everyone else's race results, then it's only fair that I post my own.
Don't worry about the bracelet! I found it amusing, and as it turns out, I didn't have that race in me then either. Next time though...
ReplyDeleteAnd I agree with you. We should be full of ourselves, and we should be proud. It's taken a lot of sweat and effort to get those results - whatever they are - and lying about then dismisses all that.
Ellen, we should run together! We're similarly paced.
ReplyDeleteAnd Majo - I agree, absolutely.
I am very curious about this person's blog, I am sure I have never seen it. Sounds to me like she has some issues more serious than lying about race times. It's sad.
ReplyDeleteHa! Like Carla, I was trying to figure out who it was so I did some internet searching and found it and remembered that you were talking to us about her last year. Is it the same chic?
ReplyDeleteSo. So. Lame. I do not understand why you would lie. Like you said, only YOU care about your times!
I will simply answer your question re: lying.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea why you would do it. If I am not sure about my times, I will err on the slower side. This has the added benefit of making it easier to "PR." Let's be honest, no one fucking cares about your race times except you.
I found the blog. Oh, the power of the Googles.
ReplyDeleteYou're on, T. But if I'm in the restroom for any more than 10 minutes please assume I need to be hauled out because I am close to death. 17?!
ReplyDeleteDoes she lie about other aspects of her life as well? Like, she says she ate sprouted wheat when it was really wholegrain with HFCS? Or those smoothies DON'T really have whey protein, it's actually a malted chocolate shake?
ReplyDeleteTHE HORROR!!!!!
Took a look - it's so oddly unemotional, I think it's actually a serial killer posing as a woman with weight issues.
ReplyDeleteok, i admit it, my last marathon was just a tad over 2:03. there, i said it. - @ultramyron (can't comment properly through google for some reason today...)
ReplyDeleteQUIT MAKING FUN OF ME.
ReplyDeleteKidding - who is this crazy person? I wanna knooooowwwwwwwwww.
Anybody remember Rosie Ruiz?
ReplyDeleteSeriously.
ReplyDeleteYou're not joking?
Someone seriously does this?!?!? WHY?!?!?!?
You are so smarty smart :-)
ReplyDeleteA 17-minute bathroom break sounds... so heinous.
ReplyDeleteWhen I ran NYCM last year, I spent about 8-10 minutes sobbing at mile 18, standing on the sidewalk, not wanting to continue. When I state my time, I INCLUDE those 18 minutes (I would never think to exclude them, wtf). The clock was ticking and I wasn't mindful of it. Remembering that I heedlessly spent precious minutes freaking out on First Avenue is part of my time and reminds me that no matter what, as long as I don't spend another 10 minutes freaking out by the side of the road at the Hamptons Marathon next month (!!) I'll be ok.
She is totally crazy. I have to wonder how much else is a lie. I'm still totally impressed that you posted this!
ReplyDeleteWHOA I'M SO LATE TO THIS CONVERSATION WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?????
ReplyDeleteYeah, I see no reason to lie about my times. I've written race reports where I left them out or didn't draw attention to them (like my latest triathlon, which was a PW but my first race post-knee-surgery, so it wasn't as much about the time as usual, but about seeing if my knee could do it), but I've never made them up.
ReplyDeleteIf anything, I LIKE to see blog entries where people brag about their 5:30 marathon or 45 minute 5k or whatever, especially if it's their first race or a PR. I believe that new runners need to see that even more than they need to see people running fast times, because everyone starts somewhere and some of us will NEVER be able to run a BQ, unless we keep running until we're 80. I do love it when I can follow someone's training curve from slow beginner to mid-packer or even speedster (although I sort of hate them a little), or when someone takes a layoff for some reason and has to start out slower than they were and get the fitness back. But for those stories to mean anything, you have to know where they came from, you know?
Also, I have had 17-minute bathroom breaks in races occasionally. Those were NOT good days, and, dude, it's during a race. It counts. If you don't want those 17 minutes to count, then get your nutrition plan nailed down so you don't NEED a 17-minute bathroom break. (Or just develop the stones to, um, go on the go.)
OK then. Dude, how did you figure that out? Also, I agree: WHY?
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you posted this. I read that blog also. I wondered if I were the only one who found it bizarre.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite was the half marathon PR if the 17 minute bathroom break was excluded. I want to run a race where they stop the clock if I use the restroom.
Time is relative. If I remember physics correctly, which I absolutely do not, time moves more slowly near massive objects or when travelling at the speed of light. I'm not sure what this says about your blogger friend's time change, but perhaps there is a logical explanation.
ReplyDeleteHaaahahahahaaaa.
ReplyDeleteI found this blogger by some mad google-fu, and actually stopped follower them on twitter because she struck me as a big fat liar.
One thing I've learned from all this - apparently I suck at the google. Or I'm just not motivated enough.
ReplyDeleteI can't TELL you all how much I appreciate all these comments!!
ReplyDeleteHow did I find it? I'd been following her blog for a while - I like a running blog, what can I say. But it doesn't take much reading to realize the pieces don't all add up to a whole. My job involves loads of research, so it didn't take much to put it together. And then I started taking it personally, given that the biggest reason to lie about your times is because you're ashamed of them (and I'm really sensitive to that, being slow and all - it made me feel like I should be ashamed).
I do love the subtle snark, and I really, really love what Dawn had to say aout following people's progress. Even though everyone's progress seems to eclipse mine! Just motivation.
Okay, I've just spent too much time on google googling this girl. When I should have been working. ;)
ReplyDeleteThe blog...seriously...it's a train wreck...you can't stop looking at it (i.e. reading it). I can't believe this girl. She has a career in writing..so, could it be she's trying to fool all of us and made up some sort of weird alter ego? I'm intrigued. And yes, I will spend the night googling this chick. I doubt if she really did lose 75 pounds. I do.
And she's not a size 6! (okay, I'm being bitchy...)
YES, SILLYGIRL, YES!!! I read the blog for the same exact reason, and I've wondered the same thing. Is it all just some big exercise in fiction writing? Has she got me fooled?
ReplyDeleteIt does not "read" like a real life. It reads like someone writing ABOUT a life. If that makes any sense...
ReplyDeleteAnd now ioff to google this girl too. At first I was wondering if it's the same person who was supposed to be on my Ragnar team but we let her go because she was begging for money from the rest of the team .... And her Facebook updates are pretty much what you are describing .... But she's only 18.
ReplyDeleteLOL I'm with Majo, after 30 minutes of trying to google it I just gave up. I could probably find her if I tried harder, but then again, I'd probably be glued to my laptop for the rest of the day. :)
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